Comments on: The State of the Human Economy

By: J Powell

J Powell — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:36:39 +0000

I like your line of thought, Greg.

But I’d personally put the comparatives in the form of:

1. ECONOMIC
“Industrial/Goods” vs. “Services/Intangibles” economy.

2. VALUES-related
Individualistic/Materialism vs. Collectivist/Philanthropic.

My 2 cents: if you start to mix-up the green movement with the wellness-movement, there’s a mixup in metaphors, i.e. I consider “wellness” to be individualistic-materialism. Whereas “green” climate-conscious focus is, at the core, collectivist/philanthropic – at least until someone figures out how to score some dough off of it, in which case it plops back into category 1,

By: J Powell

J Powell — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:26:54 +0000

Human economy? Nope.

Right idea, wrong moniker.

*Services* economy.

By: Gregory Kohs

Gregory Kohs — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:55:03 +0000

I want to thank everyone for making comments on this post. Not to mention, I also received a comment via e-mail from Seth Finkelstein, who said: You might want to take a look at Yochai Benkler's recent famous book (in certain circles), Wealth Of Networks. It's online and freely downloadable as a PDF. It's making a related type of "Human Economy" argument, though phrased differently.

By: Anthony DiPierro

Anthony DiPierro — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:56:29 +0000

I think the logarithmic length of time periods in that analysis belies the bias of its methodology. But maybe I would be more impressed if I heard the actual speech.

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Tweets that mention Akahele -- Topsy.com — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:38:12 +0000

This post was mentioned on Twitter by Gregory Kohs and Shari Swan. Shari Swan said: Greg Kohs has just written about the Human Economy from my lecture 3 years ago!

By: Jon Awbrey

Jon Awbrey — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:18:28 +0000

If you know me, you know it cost me
an e-fort of will in some x-tremity
to e-rase that hyphen of e-lusivity.

I will check the liner notes, but later maybe —
there’s a man with a net, and he’s chasing me!

By: eme

eme — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:43:19 +0000

i seems to me that we are arguably in the human economy in many ways….

but still also segments society are still probably caught up in the consumer economy

i think I also read (perhaps, was it Covey? – can’t remember) about the “personality ethic” – I can’t remember what that was supposed to have evolved into….

interesting post thanks.

By: aloma210

aloma210 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:25:07 +0000

Jon’s play on words reminds me of the
full context: “It’s only me pursuing
something I’m not sure of. Across my
dream, with nets of wonder. I chase
the bright elusive butterfly of …..”
Could Lind have been dreaming of an
internet before there was one?

By: Jonas D. Rand

Jonas D. Rand — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:32:01 +0000

To correct: this was not an “analogy” with the Web, but rather the usage of the Web as an example of the consumer economy still being in use. The term “analogy” is incorrect in describing what this article says about the Web. It’s a great article, by the way.

By: Jonas D. Rand

Jonas D. Rand — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:54:51 +0000

We are still in the consumer economy, in my opinion, but to extend your analogy with the Social Web, somewhat participatory (in regards to commenting) noncommercial news sites like Common Dreams and Truthout are increasing in popularity, as well as networks like Indymedia/IMC. Amy Goodman has analyzed the transformation of the mass media into a forum for debate on political issues, on a scale of public participation never seen before. Still, though, the popularity of commercial media is strong, as is the monopoly held by major corporations like News Corp over the media. Additionally, as is pointed out at the end of this article, the majority of content on these sites is pure drivel, like what is mostly found on Facebook. I have an account under a fake name to see Wikipedians’ friends lists, and I happen to see some of the babble that takes place there. It’s a cesspool over there.